Thanks for the feedback Michael, that's helpful. I'd be interested to know where your area is. Unfortunately OpenStreetMap data is open source community project, so the quality of the data does depend on how compenshive and accurate the contributors are. We knew that the access and privacy data wasn't always completed, so it really boils down to whether its better to have the Road Bikeable layer available knowing that it may not be 100% accurate or to not have it at all. On balance we took the decision that it was better to have it so that people at least had the option of using it in conjunction with other tools like Street View and aerial imagery if they wish, or ignoring it if they prefer not to rely on it. it. Hopefully the quality of the data will improve over time as well.
Here's some feedback for you John.
In my area the Road Bike layer shows as road ridable many dirt roads on private land. It's rather interesting as a dirt road that is road bikable - I rode it this past weekend on my road bike - is not highlighted, yet the private dirt roads that branch off of the main road are highlighted.
I really like the idea, but I don't trust the data source.
Really like the layers menu ! Road bikeable layer looks like a really good idea.
In December, I plotted umpteeen routes in Lanzarote but I wasn't really sure about the surface of some "roads".
I'll be going there next week, so on the assumption that the road bikeable layer works for Lanzarote, I shall now check them before I go.
Happy New Year Trevor ...
It's true that till now it was possible to overlay the "bike paths" above the "paths map", and now the "paths map" is switched to OSM. But for me this is a minor loss as I can find the same look and feel as before with the Cycle Map (without the cycle maps layer, which is redundant).
Really, I don't understand where is your problem Trevor. I find the site is improving the way we can plan our routes in a quite nice way.
Keep on the good job John.
I’m at a loss what to say Trevor. You can still toggle between the Paths map and the Cycle map if you wish - its only one mouse click to do this - so I’m really struggling to understand what you feel has been lost with this upgrade.
Clearly you are unhappy so if you would rather cancel your membership let me know and I can arrange this.
Apologies again for causing any problems.
Sorry I must be wrong and you must be right.
Obviously my use of this site does not match what you believe to be the only way that it should be used. I default to using Paths Maps because in the country I am currently this is by far and away the best map option, in some cities I will occassiionaly decide to overlay the cycle paths. That you now seem to acknowlege was always possible and remains possible.
The lesson I have learnt today and hopefully anyone reading this who is considering upgrarding their membership, is that this is not a forum for feedback but one where users can expect the scorn of the site owner for questioning anything.
I'm sorry you feel that way Trevor - we are only doing our best to improve the site. I'm afraid I don't see how there are more mouse clicks involved to access the OSM Cycle maps now than before this latest update. You can just select the Cycle maps from the Map Types list with one click whereas previously you would have to first change to the Paths map and then select the Bike Paths option. The changes also mean that the OSM Cycle map will be loaded by default (with no mouse clicks at all) if it was the last map type you used. This wasn't possible previously.
We get a lot of requests for enhancements and have thousands of users so we try to take as much feedback into account as we can when making changes, but we recognise that it is not possible to please everyone all of the time. I can only apologise if you feel that these latest changes are a backward step.
Obviously as I am just an ignorant user of this site, all I can do is tell it as it is. I have for many months happily selected "Paths Map" and then selected what was until today the additional overlay "Bike Paths" which would then render over the top of the "Paths Maps" cycle paths where they exist. How this was deleivered behind the scenes did not concern me.
Even your own response confirms you have changed the way things work but you start your reply with the condescending "We haven't actually removed any features with this update"
I would love to recommed this site but your continued cavalier attituide to updates makes that impossible
We haven't actually removed any features with this update - the Bike Paths layer was always only available with Google maps, as it isn't compatible with non-Google maps. Previously if you selected the Bike Paths layer while viewing an OSM based map we changed the map type to OSM Cycle maps. To make this less confusing we've now added OSM Cycle maps as a new base map option, so selecting this will display the OSM bike paths that you're referring to.
I'm happy to look into the Street View issue that you mentioned if you can let me know the steps to consistently reproduce this.
In fact you appeared to have excelled yourselves and removed the ability to overlay "bike paths" over anything other than Google maps. What was previously an extremely useful feature where you could see bike paths overlayed on OSM is gone.